Everett Piper and Rollo Tomassi debate marriage on KFAQ

The late, great Pat Campbell, morning host on 1170 KFAQ in Tulsa for over a decade, had a number of regular, weekly guests. Friday was always an interesting contrast: Dr. Everett Piper, author and nationally-syndicated columnist, then-president of Oklahoma Wesleyan University, now Osage County Commissioner, would be on Fridays during the 7 o'clock hour, speaking about cultural issues from a conservative Christian perspective. That would be followed by a weekly conversation with Rollo Tomassi, "The Rational Male," who presented a "red-pilled," somewhat cynical perspective on marriage and male-female relationships.

On April 12, 2019, Campbell had both Piper and Tomassi on at the same time for a discussion about whether men today ought to get married. On the KFAQ podcast page, the hour was labeled, "Pat Campbell hosts a debate, or a sharing of ideas, between Rollo Tomassi, The Rational Male, and Dr. Everett Piper, Oklahoma Wesleyan University, about marriage."

Here's the audio from that discussion, now uploaded to the Internet Archive.

This entry was prompted by a tweet thread from rapper and podcaster Zuby:

I would love to see a proper, long form discussion between traditional religious conservatives and secular red pill men.

They always talk at each other, but rarely with each other.

Both have good points but both ignore large swathes of reality that could upset their 'tribe'.

Red pillers are aware of modern problems, but often promote ideas and actions that directly conflict with religious moral guidance.

Tradcons often ignore the reality of Western dating/marriage in 2023 and rarely address the valid concerns of millions of young men.

BTW I mean a discussion around modern men and women, gender dynamics, dating, marriage, family, etc.

Not a debate on whether God exists or religion itself.

UPDATE 2024/10/10: The Internet Archive is offline because of a Distributed Denial of Service (DDOS) attack now in its second day. As a backup, here's a locally hosted copy of the Everett Piper / Rollo Tomassi debate. It's an M4A file and most web browsers will allow you to listen in-browser or download.